one thing positive about the fracking boom is it produced this grassroots response in which people educate themselves about the chain of production of how does a molecule of carbon go from the ground to fire up your grid so you can turn your light on. >> sandy, too. one of the other things that became very visible with the mile after mile of these poles and wires that are down, it hit you in the face that is this bha we're running the greatest superpower on earth, is poles and wires that get blown down? is that the way to power a 21st century economy? i think that could be one of the forces that is a counterbalance to the economics so that the economics are the toughest one. >> the problem is it's so opaque, right? this is why i think the politics get so tricky. what is my utility company? as a citizen i don't know. he they send me a bill, but if you ask how many people work for it or what degree it's public and private, all is remarkably shrouded in complexity. >> it is utility regulation that's one area in our economy where your right to be heard and have public interest in is embedded i